Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/17/1993 08:10 AM Senate RES

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                      JOINT MEETING OF THE                                     
         HOUSE AND SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEES                        
                         March 17, 1993                                        
                            8:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  HOUSE RESOURCES MEMBERS PRESENT                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Bill Williams, Chairman                                       
  Representative Bill Hudson, Vice Chairman                                    
  Representative Con Bunde                                                     
  Representative Pat Carney                                                    
  Representative John Davies                                                   
  Representative Joe Green                                                     
  Representative Jeannette James                                               
  Representative David Finkelstein                                             
                                                                               
  HOUSE RESOURCES MEMBERS ABSENT                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Eldon Mulder                                                  
                                                                               
  SENATE RESOURCES MEMBERS PRESENT                                             
                                                                               
  Senator Mike Miller, Chairman                                                
  Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chairman                                           
                                                                               
  SENATE RESOURCES MEMBERS ABSENT                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Al Adams                                                             
  Senator Dave Donley                                                          
  Senator Drue Pearce                                                          
  Senator Fred Zharoff                                                         
  Senator Steve Frank                                                          
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  Confirmation Hearings                                                        
       Board of Fisheries: Larry Edfelt                                        
                           Deborah Lyons                                       
                           Dick Jacobsen                                       
                           John Hanson                                         
                                                                               
       COMMITTEE  REPORTS   SIGNED  ON   BOARD  OF   FISHERIES                 
       APPOINTEES                                                              
                                                                               
       Board of Game:      Susan Entsminger                                    
                           Ann Ruggles                                         
                           Jack Didrickson                                     
                           Ernie Polley                                        
                           Roger Huntington                                    
                                                                               
       TESTIMONY  HEARD,  NO  ACTION TAKEN  ON  BOARD  OF GAME                 
       APPOINTEES                                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Dan McQueen                                                                  
  Salmon Busters                                                               
  3222 Tide Avenue                                                             
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  Phone:  2225-2731                                                            
  Position Statement: Opposed Deborah Lyons' confirmation                      
                                                                               
  Linda Behnken                                                                
  Alaska Longline Fishermen's Association                                      
  403 Lincoln Street                                                           
  Sitka, Alaska  99835                                                         
  Phone:  747-3400                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported confirmation of  Deborah Lyons                 
                      and Dick Jacobsen                                        
                                                                               
  Gordon Jensen                                                                
  P.O. Box 264                                                                 
  Petersburg, Alaska  99833                                                    
  Phone:  772-4705                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Jim Bacon, President                                                         
  Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                         
  9226 Long Run Drive                                                          
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  Phone:  789-5117                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Tom Ramiskey                                                                 
  Ketchikan Marine Charters                                                    
  428 Tower St.                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  Phone:  225-9225                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Deborah Lyons' confirmation                      
                                                                               
  Greg Cushing                                                                 
  407 Hemlock St.                                                              
  Sitka, Alaska  99835                                                         
  Phone:  747-3195                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Russell Heath                                                                
  Alaska Environmental Lobby                                                   
  P.O. Box 22151                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  Phone:  463-3366                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Susan Entsminger's confirmation                  
                                                                               
  Max Holtzinger                                                               
  Alaska Trollers Board of Directors                                           
  P.O. Box 846                                                                 
  Petersburg, Alaska 99833                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Phone:  772-3627                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Tony Guggenbuickler                                                          
  P.O. Box 393                                                                 
  Wrangell, Alaska  99829                                                      
  Phone:  874-3658                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported   Deborah   Lyons   and   Dick                 
                      Jacobsen's confirmation                                  
                                                                               
  Nicole Evans                                                                 
  Alaska Wildlife Alliance                                                     
  P.O. Box 202022                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99520                                                     
  Phone:  277-0897                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Susan Entsminger's confirmation                  
                                                                               
  Jerry McCune                                                                 
  United Fishermen of Alaska                                                   
  211 Fourth Street, Suite 112                                                 
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  Phone:  586-2820                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported   Deborah   Lyons   and   Dick                 
                      Jacobsen's confirmation                                  
                                                                               
  Andy Rauwolf, President                                                      
  Herring Coalition                                                            
  7942 S. Tongass Highway                                                      
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  Phone:  225-3697                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Deborah Lyons' confirmation                      
                                                                               
  Loren Croxton                                                                
  P.O. Box 1410                                                                
  Petersburg, Alaska  99833                                                    
  Phone:  772-3622                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Al Crayne                                                                    
  P.O. Box 1183                                                                
  Wrangell, Alaska  99929                                                      
  Phone:  874-3192                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Brian Warmuth, Chairman                                                      
  Ketchikan Trollers Committee                                                 
  P.O. Box 6382                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  Phone:  225-0432                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons and John Hanson                  
                                                                               
  Chip Thoma                                                                   
  Two Marine Way                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Position Statement: Opposed Susan Entsminger's confirmation                  
                                                                               
  Dennis Randa, President                                                      
  Alaska Council of Trout Unlimited                                            
  P.O. Box 3055                                                                
  Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                      
  Phone:  262-5920                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported John Hanson and Larry Edfelt's                 
                      confirmation;  opposed   Deborah  Lyons'                 
                      confirmation; neutral on Dick Jacobsen's                 
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  Larry Malloy                                                                 
  Kodiak Regional Aquaculture Association                                      
  104 Center Ave., Suite 202                                                   
  Kodiak, Alaska  99615                                                        
  Position Statement: Supported   Deborah   Lyons'   and  Dick                 
                      Jacobsen's confirmation                                  
                                                                               
  Bob Jahnke                                                                   
  P.O. Box 991                                                                 
  Ward Cove, Alaska  99928                                                     
  Phone:  247-8207                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons, John Hanson and                 
                      Susan Entsminger's confirmation                          
                                                                               
  Steve Wells                                                                  
  P.O. Box 202219                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99520                                                     
  Phone:  277-0897                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Susan Entsminger's confirmation                  
                                                                               
  Dave Otte                                                                    
  P.O. Box 3069                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  Phone:  225-7814                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  Bill Burk                                                                    
  P.O. Box 240742                                                              
  Douglas, Alaska  99824                                                       
  Phone:  780-6019                                                             
  Position Statement: Opposed Susan Entsminger's confirmation                  
                                                                               
  Richard Hoffman, President                                                   
  Alaska Trollers Association                                                  
  5025 Thane Road                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  Phone:  586-9400                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported Deborah Lyons' confirmation                    
                                                                               
  John George                                                                  
  Alaska Outdoor Council                                                       
  9515 Moraine Way                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  Phone:  789-0172                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported       Susan       Entsminger's                 
  confirmation                                                                 
                      Opposed Deborah Lyons' confirmation                      
                                                                               
  Allan Keech                                                                  
  P.O. Box 362                                                                 
  Tok, Alaska 99929                                                            
  Phone:  883-5330                                                             
  Position Statement: Supported    confirmation    of    Susan                 
                      Entsminger,   Roger  Huntington,   Ernie                 
                      Polley, Jack Didrickson                                  
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-31, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  The  joint  meeting  of  the   House  and  Senate  Resources                 
  Committees was called  to order by House  Resources Chairman                 
  Bill Williams at 8:10 a.m.  House Resources members  present                 
  at the call  to order were Representatives  Williams, Bunde,                 
  Carney,  Davies,  Green,  and James.    Members  absent were                 
  Representatives Hudson, Mulder and Finkelstein.                              
                                                                               
  Senate Resources  member present  at the call  to order  was                 
  Senator  Miller.   Senate members  absent at  the  call were                 
  Senators Leman, Adams, Donley, Pearce, Zharoff and Frank.                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS announced there  was a quorum present                 
  of  the  House  Resources members  and  the  purpose  of the                 
  meeting  was to  hear public  testimony on  nominees to  the                 
  Boards of Fisheries and  Game.  He reminded  members present                 
  that  the  meeting was  being  held by  teleconference, with                 
  sites in  Anchorage, Fairbanks, Ketchikan,  Kodiak, Cordova,                 
  Kenai, Soldotna, Valdez, and Wrangell.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATE RESOURCES CHAIRMAN MIKE MILLER  announced most of the                 
  members  of  his  committee had  time  conflicts  because of                 
  Senate  Finance  Committee  meetings.   He  said  the Senate                 
  Resources  Committee had already  heard public  testimony on                 
  Game  Board  appointees  but  not  on  Board  of  Fisheries'                 
  appointees.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 065                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS remarked  that if time allowed,  the House                 
  Resources  Committee might take  action after hearing public                 
  testimony.  He added the committee  would consider the legal                 
  situation surrounding Jack Didrickson's confirmation to  the                 
  Board of Game, if time allowed.                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 118                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAN MCQUEEN, OF  SALMON BUSTERS  IN KETCHIKAN, testified  by                 
  teleconference  that  change  was  needed  on the  Board  of                 
  Fisheries.   He  expressed concern over  diminishing herring                 
  stocks in Southeast Alaska  and felt the Board  of Fisheries                 
  had ignored the concerns of Southeast.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 165                                                                   
                                                                               
  LINDA  BEHNKEN,  REPRESENTING  ALASKA  LONGLINE  FISHERMEN'S                 
  ASSOCIATION, testified from  Sitka by teleconference.    She                 
  urged the committee not to change the current composition of                 
  the  Board of  Fisheries.   She  said  the board  adequately                 
  represents the various regions and areas of expertise of the                 
  state's  fisheries.   She  recommended  the confirmation  of                 
  Deborah Lyons and Dick Jacobsen.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN   WILLIAMS   noted   Representatives   Hudson   and                 
  Finkelstein had joined the meeting.                                          
                                                                               
  GORDON JENSEN, SPORT FISHERMAN FROM PETERSBURG, testified by                 
  teleconference that Deborah Lyons had done a good job on the                 
  Board of Fisheries.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 211                                                                   
                                                                               
  JIM   BACON,   PRESIDENT   OF   SOUTHEAST   ALASKA   SEINERS                 
  ASSOCIATION,  testified   in  Juneau  in   support  of   the                 
  confirmation of Deborah Lyons to the Board of Fisheries.  He                 
  referred  to  written   testimony  by  his   association  in                 
  committee  members'  packets.    (A   copy  of  Mr.  Bacon's                 
  testimony  may  be found  in  the House  Resources Committee                 
  Room,  Capitol 124, and after  the adjournment of the second                 
  session  of  the  18th  Alaska  State  Legislature,  in  the                 
  Legislative Reference Library.)                                              
                                                                               
  Number 230                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM  RAMISKEY,  KETCHIKAN  MARINE   CHARTERS,  testified  by                 
  teleconference in opposition to the confirmation  of Deborah                 
  Lyons to the Board of Fisheries.  He urged more diversity on                 
  the  board  in  compliance with  statutory  provisions.   He                 
  commented that  the  representation  of  commercial  fishing                 
  interests among board  members creates an intrinsic  bias on                 
  the board, and  compromises the conservation mission  of the                 
  board.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 268                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  GREG CUSHING,  FISHERMAN, testified  by teleconference  from                 
  Sitka.  He  told the  committee that as  a sport  fisherman,                 
  charter  boat operator  and  commercial  fisherman, he  felt                 
  Deborah Lyons provided balance on the Board of Fisheries and                 
  supported her confirmation.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 305                                                                   
                                                                               
  RUSSELL  HEATH,  ALASKA  ENVIRONMENTAL LOBBY,  testified  in                 
  Juneau in opposition to the confirmation of Susan Entsminger                 
  to  the Board  of  Game.   He  objected  to  her support  of                 
  predator  control  and  policies  that  do not  protect  the                 
  ecosystem.      He   said  a   variety   of   interests  and                 
  constituencies should be represented on the board, and sport                 
  hunters were already over-represented on  the board, with no                 
  representation  from  the environmental  community, tourism,                 
  non-consumptive users,  or regionally, from  Southwestern or                 
  Southeast Alaska.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 331                                                                   
                                                                               
  MAX  HOLTZINGER,  ALASKA  TROLLERS   BOARD,  testified  from                 
  Petersburg  by teleconference in  support of  Deborah Lyons'                 
  confirmation  to  the  Board  of Fisheries.    He  told  the                 
  committee  Ms.  Lyons  bring  knowledge  of a  diversity  of                 
  fisheries to the board.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 350                                                                   
                                                                               
  TONY   GUGGENBUICKLER   testified  by   teleconference  from                 
  Wrangell in  support of Deborah Lyons and  Dick Jacobsen for                 
  the Board of Fisheries.   He commented that Ms.  Lyons bring                 
  an understanding of the trolling industry, which he said was                 
  unique to Southeast.   He believed the charter  industry was                 
  already sufficiently represented on the board.                               
                                                                               
  Number 370                                                                   
                                                                               
  NICOLE  EVANS,   ALASKA  WILDLIFE  ALLIANCE,   testified  by                 
  teleconference   from   Anchorage  in   opposition   to  the                 
  confirmation  of  Susan  Entsminger to  the  Board  of Game,                 
  because the Alliance  felt Ms. Entsminger's consumptive  use                 
  focus would  not help  diversify the  board.   She listed  a                 
  number  of  state  and  national  environmental groups  with                 
  representation in Alaska.  These  included the Alaska Center                 
  for  the Environment,  the  Alaska Wildlife  Alliance, Green                 
  Peace, Northern  Alaska Environmental  Center, Sierra  Club,                 
  Trustees for Alaska, the Wilderness  Society, and Wolf Haven                 
  International.                                                               
                                                                               
  MS. EVANS said the  groups met and wrote to  Governor Hickel                 
  arguing the Board of  Game did not adequately  represent the                 
  interests  of the  majority  of Alaskans.   She  referred to                 
  surveys which she  said showed 70% of Alaskans  were opposed                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  to  the  state's recent  decisions on  wolf  control.    The                 
  Alaska  Visitors  Association,  Wolf  Haven  and the  Alaska                 
  Wildlife Alliance commissioned the studies, she said.                        
                                                                               
  MS.  EVANS pointed  out  the groups  urged  the governor  to                 
  ensure appointments to the Board of Game reflect the diverse                 
  attitudes  of  Alaskans.   To maintain  the status  quo, she                 
  said, would bring the board's credibility into question.                     
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE asked if  the Wildlife Alliance had                 
  taken a position on  the appointment of Anne Ruggles  to the                 
  Board of Game.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 424                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. EVANS replied  that the Alliance  had taken no  official                 
  position, but would support Ms. Ruggles' confirmation.                       
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE addressed the  consumptive use focus of                 
  the  board,  and asked  whether  there were  non-consumptive                 
  users of Alaska's wildlife.                                                  
                                                                               
  MS. EVANS answered in the affirmative.                                       
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE asked  whether  she would  consider as                 
  consumptive  or  non-consumptive  use the  eating  of  crops                 
  raised on lands that displaced wildlife.                                     
                                                                               
  MS.  EVANS  appreciated that  perspective,  but felt  it was                 
  steering  from  the  issue  at hand.    She  again expressed                 
  concern that no  one on  the Board of  Game represented  the                 
  non-harvest consumptive use.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 454                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LOREN LEMAN asked whether  the Wildlife Alliance had                 
  taken positions on any of the  other appointees to the Board                 
  of Game.                                                                     
                                                                               
  MS.  EVANS responded  that none had  been prepared,  but she                 
  would  submit   written   recommendations   on   the   other                 
  appointees.                                                                  
                                                                               
  SENATE RESOURCES CHAIRMAN  MILLER noted for the  record that                 
  because  Representative Williams  had to  leave the  meeting                 
  temporarily, he would act as chairman of the joint meeting.                  
                                                                               
  Number 469                                                                   
                                                                               
  JERRY MCCUNE, UNITED FISHERMEN OF ALASKA (UFA), testified in                 
  Juneau in support of Deborah Lyons and Dick Jacobsen for the                 
  Board  of  Fisheries.    On  behalf  of  the  twenty  member                 
  associations of  United Fishermen,  he said  both have  been                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  fair in their decisions and  are knowledgeable about various                 
  fisheries.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 484                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE   BUNDE   referred   to  earlier   statements                 
  regarding Ms. Lyons'  representation of trollers, and  asked                 
  Mr. McCune to comment  on whether the emphasis should  be on                 
  knowledge of a diverse range of fisheries, or representation                 
  of a particular fishery interest.                                            
                                                                               
  MR.  MCCUNE  said  the  criteria   he  would  consider  most                 
  important for a board member included a willingness to study                 
  the  issues  and   listen  to   a  variety  of   viewpoints.                 
  Experience in fishing also would be  important, he said.  He                 
  felt Ms. Lyons possessed those qualifications.                               
                                                                               
  Number 510                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  asked whether the  UFA had taken  an official                 
  position on the confirmation of Larry Edfelt or John Hanson.                 
                                                                               
  MR. MCCUNE answered in the negative.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 528                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANDY  RAUWOLF, PRESIDENT OF THE HERRING COALITION, testified                 
  by teleconference from  Ketchikan.  He said the coalition is                 
  not  involved  in  commercial  fisheries.     The  Board  of                 
  Fisheries, he suggested, should represent a full spectrum of                 
  interests.    He recommended  the  composition of  the board                 
  should include  a conservationist and  an independent marine                 
  biologist not associated with the  Alaska Department of Fish                 
  and Game (ADF&G).  He felt the  ADF&G was reluctant to admit                 
  problems with any  managed fisheries.  He  expressed concern                 
  over  diminishing herring  stocks in  Southeast  Alaska, and                 
  concluded his  testimony  by stating  opposition to  Deborah                 
  Lyons' confirmation.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 547                                                                   
                                                                               
  LOREN CROXTON testified by teleconference from Petersburg in                 
  support  of  Deborah  Lyons' confirmation  to  the  Board of                 
  Fisheries.  He  said her performance  on the board has  been                 
  outstanding.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 560                                                                   
                                                                               
  AL CRAYNE, COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN, testified  from Wrangell by                 
  teleconference in support of Deborah Lyons.                                  
                                                                               
  BRIAN WARMUTH, CHAIRMAN OF THE KETCHIKAN TROLLERS COMMITTEE,                 
  testified from  Ketchikan by teleconference.   He  expressed                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  support for the  appointments of both Deborah Lyons and John                 
  Hanson, whom he called model board members.                                  
                                                                               
  CHIP THOMA asked  the Chairman whether the  Senate Resources                 
  Committee  had  heard   all  testimony  on  Board   of  Game                 
  appointees.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  MILLER   replied  that  the  committee  had  heard                 
  testimony  on all  appointees to  the  Board of  Game except                 
  Susan Entsminger.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 587                                                                   
                                                                               
  DENNIS  RANDA,  PRESIDENT  OF THE  ALASKA  COUNCIL  OF TROUT                 
  UNLIMITED, testified by teleconference  from Anchorage.   He                 
  recommended changes to  the Board  of Fisheries, and  called                 
  the current composition pro-commercial fishing.  He spoke in                 
  support  of John Hanson,  stated a neutral  position on Dick                 
  Jacobsen, support for Larry  Edfelt, and vigorous opposition                 
  to Deborah Lyons.                                                            
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  MILLER corrected  his previous  statement  to Chip                 
  Thoma, and clarified he had been out  of town when the House                 
  and  Senate  Resources  Committees  held  a  previous  joint                 
  meeting and Ms.  Entsminger testified.  He  explained public                 
  testimony regarding Ms.  Entsminger would  be taken at  this                 
  meeting.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 624                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. THOMA commented on the nomination of Susan Entsminger of                 
  Tok, Alaska.   He raised the issue of diversity on the Board                 
  of Game, and called Ms. Entsminger's nomination another case                 
  of the administration failing to provide diversity.  He also                 
  expressed ethical concerns  with her  failure to mention  in                 
  her resume or during her testimony that she had been serving                 
  as a  member of  the Board  of Guides  (Big Game  Commercial                 
  Services Board) concurrently with her nomination to the Game                 
  Board.                                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. THOMA  was shocked  that Ms.  Entsminger  would fail  to                 
  mention her service on the board, especially in light of her                 
  extensive  resume.    He  questioned   the  actions  of  the                 
  administration  in  the  nomination  process,  stating  that                 
  Tuckerman Babcock of  the Governor's Office had  removed Ms.                 
  Entsminger's name from  the Guide Board and replaced it with                 
  another name after  Ms. Entsminger  had appeared before  the                 
  Resources Committee in her confirmation  hearing.  Mr. Thoma                 
  called the action unethical.                                                 
                                                                               
  MR.  THOMA also  raised the  issue that  Ms. Entsminger  had                 
  claimed to have  support from the Alaskan  Native community.                 
  He  stated her  opposition  to subsistence  was inconsistent                 
  with  her  claim.   He  called Ms.  Entsminger's appointment                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  divisive,   and   predicted  dire   results   stemming  from                 
  nominations to  the board that  "are contrary to  the proper                 
  use  of  wildlife" in  Alaska.   He  suggested environmental                 
  groups might initiate further boycotts such as the one  that                 
  resulted from recent Game Board decisions on wolf hunting.                   
                                                                               
  Number 672                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked Mr. Thoma  to clarify which board                 
  Ms. Entsminger had served on.                                                
                                                                               
  MR. THOMA repeated that it was the Board of Guides.                          
                                                                               
  Number 679                                                                   
                                                                               
  LARRY  MALLOY,  KODIAK  REGIONAL   AQUACULTURE  ASSOCIATION,                 
  testified  by  teleconference from  Kodiak.   He  stated the                 
  association's support  for the appointment  of Deborah Lyons                 
  and Dick Jacobsen.   He  was impressed with  their level  of                 
  commitment to the board.                                                     
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS resumed  chairmanship of the meeting.   He                 
  called for testimony from Ketchikan.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 700                                                                   
                                                                               
  BOB JAHNKE expressed strong support  for the confirmation of                 
  Deborah Lyons and John Hanson to the Board of Fisheries.  He                 
  also spoke in  support of Susan  Entsminger to the Board  of                 
  Game.                                                                        
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-31, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 029                                                                   
                                                                               
  STEVE WELLS testified  from Anchorage  in opposition to  the                 
  appointment of Susan  Entsminger to the  Board of Game.   He                 
  stated Ms. Entsminger had demonstrated  a strong bias toward                 
  consumptive   use  of   wildlife   and  extreme   management                 
  practices.   He believed  the board  needs diversity  in its                 
  composition.                                                                 
                                                                               
  DAVE OTTE, COMMERCIAL  TROLLER, testified from Ketchikan  in                 
  support of Deborah  Lyons for  the Board of  Fisheries.   He                 
  believed she did a fair job.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 050                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL BURK testified in Juneau,  stating strong opposition to                 
  the nomination of Susan Entsminger to the Board of Game.  He                 
  objected  to  the  lack  of  diversity  on  the  board,  and                 
  expressed concern that Ms. Entsminger's decisions would lean                 
  toward management that  would benefit  her fur business  and                 
  her husband's  taxidermy business.   He called  this bias  a                 
  conflict of interest.    He also mentioned  Ms. Entsminger's                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  advertising for her fur company in which  she posed in a fur                 
  bikini.     He  called   this  unprofessional   conduct  and                 
  recommended  the board  be  represented  by individuals  who                 
  display professional conduct.                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  asked  Mr. Burk  whether  he  had any                 
  problem  with  the  Board of  Fisheries  being  comprised of                 
  commercial fishermen.                                                        
                                                                               
  MR. BURK replied in the negative.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 086                                                                   
                                                                               
  RICHARD HOFFMAN,  PRESIDENT OF ALASKA  TROLLERS ASSOCIATION,                 
  testified in support of Deborah  Lyons' nomination.  He said                 
  Ms. Lyons was  knowledgeable and was  a strong asset on  the                 
  Board of Fisheries.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 099                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN GEORGE,  ALASKA OUTDOOR  COUNCIL, spoke  in support  of                 
  Susan  Entsminger's appointment  to the Board  of Game.   He                 
  opposed the reappointment of Deborah  Lyons, stating she had                 
  not represented the interests of sports fishing.                             
                                                                               
  Number 128                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked  Mr. George his opinion  on board                 
  appointees whose  livelihood depends  on the resource  being                 
  managed.   He  asked whether  this  should be  considered  a                 
  conflict of interest.                                                        
                                                                               
  MR.  GEORGE  responded that  everyone  has some  biases they                 
  bring to  the table.   He  stated biases  can be  reasonably                 
  overcome when board members  are willing to look at  all the                 
  facts.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 153                                                                   
                                                                               
  ALAN  KEECH  testified from  Tok  in support  of  Game Board                 
  appointees Susan Entsminger, Roger Huntington, Ernie  Polley                 
  and Jack Didrickson.   He stated the  appointees would serve                 
  in the interests of rural resource users and consumers.                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS ADJOURNED the  joint session and announced                 
  the House  Resources Committee  would continue  to meet  and                 
  take up committee  action on the appointments  to the Boards                 
  of Game and Fisheries.                                                       
                                                                               
  SENATE RESOURCES CHAIRMAN MILLER thanked the House Resources                 
  Committee  members  for  the  opportunity  to   hear  public                 
  testimony.  He  ADJOURNED the Senate Resources  Committee at                 
  9:00 a.m.                                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 189                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS told  the committee members he  would like                 
  to  proceed   with  action   on  the   Board  of   Fisheries                 
  appointments and delay  the Board  of Game confirmations  to                 
  allow more information on the legal question surrounding the                 
  appointment of Jack Didrickson.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 203                                                                   
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN  BILL HUDSON  stated since  the committee  had                 
  heard testimony  on the  Board of  Fisheries appointees,  he                 
  made a MOTION  to ADVANCE the  nominations of Larry  Edfelt,                 
  John Hanson, Dick Jacobsen and Deborah Lyons.                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE OBJECTED,  and stated he would  like to                 
  have the  committee vote separately  on each appointee.   He                 
  OFFERED  that   suggestion  as  a   friendly  AMENDMENT   to                 
  Representative Hudson's motion.                                              
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON  ACCEPTED the  friendly AMENDMENT.   He                 
  made a MOTION  and asked unanimous  consent to ADVANCE  with                 
  individual recommendations the confirmation of Larry Edfelt.                 
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked  for objections.  Hearing  none, the                 
  MOTION PASSED.                                                               
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON  MOVED and  asked unanimous consent  to                 
  ADVANCE  the confirmation  of John  Hanson,  with individual                 
  recommendations.                                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked  for objections.  Hearing  none, the                 
  MOTION PASSED.                                                               
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON  MOVED and  asked unanimous consent  to                 
  ADVANCE the confirmation of  Dick Jacobsen, with  individual                 
  recommendations.                                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS  asked whether there  were any objections.                 
  Hearing none, the MOTION PASSED.                                             
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON  MOVED and  asked unanimous consent  to                 
  ADVANCE the confirmation of  Deborah Lyons, with  individual                 
  recommendations.                                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS asked  for  objections.   OBJECTIONS were                 
  heard and discussion followed.                                               
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  DAVID  FINKELSTEIN  asked  the  chairman  to                 
  clarify the procedural issue regarding the motion before the                 
  committee.  It was  his understanding that the names  of the                 
  nominees had to go to the floor of the house no matter what,                 
  and  committee   members  would  show   opposition  to   any                 
  individual nominee when they sign the committee report.                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  VICE    CHAIRMAN    HUDSON   agreed    with   Representative                 
  Finkelstein's interpretation of the procedure.   He said the                 
  committee's responsibility in the confirmation process is to                 
  take testimony, then to advance the nominations to the floor                 
  of the house.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 260                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE explained that  he wanted his objection                 
  on the record to sending  all Board of Fisheries nominations                 
  from the committee as a unit.                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN  expressed concern that the  record                 
  should indicate committee members feelings  other than a yea                 
  or nay.                                                                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS noted  with the individual recommendations                 
  on  the  committee  report forms,  committee  members  could                 
  indicate their support or opposition.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 286                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  JEANNETTE JAMES  expressed concern  with the                 
  process.  She asked  why the committee even needed  a motion                 
  to move a confirmation or if they were obligated to do so.                   
                                                                               
  Number 297                                                                   
                                                                               
  VICE  CHAIRMAN HUDSON explained  the process was  to put the                 
  committee's individual recommendations before the full house                 
  when  the report  form is read  on the  floor.  He  said the                 
  motion is  a formality  for disposing  of the  confirmations                 
  that were presented to the committee.                                        
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS explained  the options  on  the committee                 
  report form, which the members could sign either do pass, do                 
  not pass, or no recommendation.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 328                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOHN DAVIES  stated a valid reason  to object                 
  to  advancing  a  name  for  confirmation would  be  if  the                 
  committee needed more information or testimony.                              
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN   WILLIAMS,   after  further   discussion   on  the                 
  procedural  questions  of advancing  confirmations, repeated                 
  the motion remaining before the  members was to advance  the                 
  confirmation of Deborah Lyons to the Board of Fisheries.  He                 
  asked members to signify by voting yea or nay on the motion.                 
  The  MOTION CARRIED, with  Representatives James,  Green and                 
  Bunde voting NAY.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 382                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS  addressed the confirmation  of appointees                 
  to the Board of Game.   He discussed the options surrounding                 
  the legal question  of the  appointment of Jack  Didrickson.                 
  Referring to  the legal opinion  from the Division  of Legal                 
  Services,  Chairman Williams  summarized the situation.   He                 
  said after Mr.  Didrickson had  initially been appointed  to                 
  the Board of Game, but had  not yet been confirmed, Governor                 
  Hickel withdrew Mr. Didrickson from  the board and nominated                 
  Ernie Polley.   No  cause for  Mr. Didrickson's removal  was                 
  given, Chairman  Williams explained, which  the Division  of                 
  Legal Services said was illegal.  He asked committee members                 
  how they would like to proceed.                                              
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOHN DAVIES asked what the effect would be if                 
  Mr. Didrickson was not confirmed.                                            
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS responded that if no action was taken this                 
  session, that seat would remain unconfirmed.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 400                                                                   
                                                                               
  VICE  CHAIRMAN  HUDSON  also  responded  to   Representative                 
  Davies' question.  He remarked  that there are actually four                 
  seats  open  on  the  Board  of  Game, but  because  of  the                 
  situation with the Didrickson/Polley nominations, there  are                 
  five  names before the  legislature to fill  the four seats.                 
  The  question,  he  said, was  whether  the  committee could                 
  advance  all  five  names,  or,  if  only four  were  to  be                 
  advanced.  He  suggested another  joint meeting with  Senate                 
  Resources to  decide which  four appointees  to advance  for                 
  confirmation on the floor.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 424                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES put forth another option, in line with                 
  the attorney's opinion that Mr.  Didrickson is still legally                 
  on the board, and  perhaps his name could  be held and  only                 
  three names advanced from the committee.                                     
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIR HUDSON  clarified Mr.  Didrickson had never  been                 
  confirmed.                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS reminded committee members that because of                 
  legal opinions Mr.  Didrickson is  still the legal  nominee,                 
  and there  is a  question of  whether Mr.  Polley's name  is                 
  legally  before  the  legislature   for  confirmation.    He                 
  suggested the Resources  Committee get  an opinion from  the                 
  governor's office, and noted Legal  Service's attorney Jerry                 
  Luckhaupt was present.                                                       
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PAT CARNEY  recommended the proper  procedure                 
  would be to  advance the four  names that legal counsel  had                 
  advised  were legitimate nominees, and hold back the name of                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Ernie Polley.   He made  a MOTION  TO ADVANCE  the names  of                 
  Susan  Entsminger, Roger Huntington,  Anne Ruggles, and Jack                 
  Didrickson.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS  recognized  OBJECTIONS   for  discussion                 
  purposes.                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES  questioned  why  the  governor   had                 
  removed  Mr. Didrickson from the board without cause when he                 
  had never been confirmed.                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS  replied that the Legal  Services' opinion                 
  was that the  governor could not  remove a nominee from  the                 
  board without cause.  He reminded members that the committee                 
  only had  one legal opinion before it, and that was from the                 
  legislative legal department.  The governor had not provided                 
  an opinion, he stated.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 475                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES asked  whether the  governor's action                 
  was equivalent  to the  governor  changing his  mind on  the                 
  appointment.                                                                 
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS  confirmed  this  was   how  he  saw  the                 
  situation.                                                                   
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON  expressed a different  interpretation:                 
  Mr.  Didrickson  was  appointed  by  the governor,  and  his                 
  appointment is subject to confirmation.  The statutes state,                 
  he said, that the governor may not remove him without cause.                 
  He OBJECTED to Representative Carney's MOTION TO ADVANCE the                 
  four names because the proper action would be to advance all                 
  five names and let the decision be  made on the floor of the                 
  House.                                                                       
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS suggested  the committee  ask for a  legal                 
  opinion  from the  governor  to compare  it  with the  Legal                 
  Services' opinion and sort  out the issue before it  gets to                 
  the floor.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 510                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS recognized the motion remained  before the                 
  committee  to  move  four  names.    However,  he  felt  the                 
  committee did not have enough information to act.                            
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE commented that if the committee leaves                 
  any of the names  off and do not advance them  to the floor,                 
  then regardless of the ultimate  legal decision, that person                 
  will not be considered on the  floor.  He questioned whether                 
  the issue could  be resolved by  just getting another  legal                 
  opinion.  He  suggested it may have  to go to court,  and by                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  advancing all five names, the  committee might facilitate an                 
  early court settlement.                                                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS remarked that the committee had until mid-                 
  April to advance the names.                                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES agreed with the chairman's position but                 
  suggested  three  of  the names  could  be  advanced without                 
  problem,  and the  names of  Mr.  Didrickson and  Mr. Polley                 
  could be retained in committee for further consideration.                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE   GREEN   suggested   advancing   the   names                 
  individually as was  done with the  Board of Fisheries,  and                 
  recommended a nay  vote on  the motion to  advance the  four                 
  names.                                                                       
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS  stated his  preference  to keep  all the                 
  nominations in  committee until  the whole  issue is  sorted                 
  out.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 560                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CARNEY  WITHDREW  his MOTION  TO ADVANCE  the                 
  four names.                                                                  
                                                                               
  VICE  CHAIRMAN  HUDSON  commented  that  the  governor  must                 
  appoint  only four nominees  to the four  seats, while there                 
  are  now legally five nominees.   He suggested the committee                 
  force the governor to take action.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 586                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  voiced  support  for  the  chairman's                 
  decision.                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that the committee would proceed to                 
  obtain an  opinion from the governor on the issue, and do so                 
  as quickly as  possible.  He  thanked those who had  offered                 
  their testimony.                                                             
                                                                               
  ANNOUNCEMENTS                                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN  WILLIAMS announced  the  committee  would  hear  a                 
  briefing on radiation issues, including Project  Chariot, by                 
  the  Department of  Environmental Conservation  at the  next                 
  meeting,  on Friday, March 19, 1993,  at 8:00 a.m.  He added                 
  HB 201 would also be taken up at that meeting.                               
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  There being  no further  business to  come before  the House                 
  Resources Committee, Chairman Williams adjourned the meeting                 
  at 9:30 a.m.                                                                 
                                                                               

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